Limited the whore (medic + signal)

[(HAL)JacKson]

TRUE THTS A RATING SYSTEM, BUT THE GAME IS MADE AS A TEAM GAME AND SO THE XP SYSTEM !

if u kill a person u get 3xp , and for a taken med kit u get 1xp and for a revieve 3xp- and that for a REASON! it is a TEAM play game ! otherwise there would be no xp for healing or revieving.. same with all classes...

i respect the people investing time in this system! but disable ppl from rating because they play the game how its supposed to be played or inventing a system that give advantages?! to players they play egostyle isnt a good thing in my opinion... anyway that post was not against paul or ppl woking on tb, that was to all the bitchy egomedics fighting for 1. place! try to heal and revieve ur mates every now and then!
happy fragging
peace


funny just found this on a et site :

Points System
Since Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory is a team game, you will not be assessed by frags, but by experience points (XP). For each enemy killed 3xp, for example. For the construction of objects more. The rating system is very intelligent and sophisticated, there are even points that your always "on the scene"....

[Le_Furet]

Just be thankfull a person like Paul takes time to make up this system to let others play for something.

que pasa, strange, I dont view.... it's paul creat this topic ?

[christmaspwns]

que pasa, strange, I dont view.... it's paul creat this topic ?

What are you trying to tell me? I don't get your English sentence. If it's Paul who made up this topic, why wouldn't he post it by himself? You are known as being a xp whore yourself, so it's a bit obvious you post it. No further offence, it's just a bit weird.

@Hal JACKSON:
I know this game is made to play as a "team". And let me tell you this. On a side note, 8 out of 10 "xp whores" don't even know about the rating system because they don't play for it. They just see people play in game as a field op / medic whatever and see they are giving ammo. Kids think that's the way the game has to be played and spend their time playing as a fop or medic giving ammo/packs the entire map. Ok, I get that fine with me, because 9 out of 10 don't do this all maps they play. Atleast that's what I've seen, otherwise these so what called "noobs" would be on top already.
But if you see several players playing on servers which DO know about the system and trying to get on top by just getting xp by ammo packs/packs they are registred on tb, getting higher ppms than the "good fraggers" and trying to fuck around on TB by giving a smile at it cuz they are on top without doing shit for it. TrackBase is forced to disable the XP whores, because Paul has written this down all before TB was online. Just remember, Splatterladder is/was full of whores on top for a long time and it doesn't make sense. TrackBase has the ability to let the actual fraggers who play for their rating giving a chance to fight each other instead of seeing a retard xp whoring on top.

I can't believe I took time to write this shit lol

Regards,

pro*que pasa?

[Adrian]

Guys Stop swearing and using offensive language or i will need to take actions.

[(HAL)JacKson]

i dont believe it either... haha... nice speech que passa.. all good for me.. we will shoot each other soon..
peace out

[Paul]

Wanted to close the topic at the first read, but after some more thinking I decided that it will stay open as it results in a good open discussion.

The problem stays is:
1) What would be "proof"
2) Who would check out the "proof" as it will be time consuming
3) When is it actually whoring?
4) What do we do when we find someone "whoring"

It's not a straight as many people think, and I have to agree que pasa is quite right about his say about noobs/whores and the distribution of all the packages.
The fact is that it's made as a fair ranking system, so the argument that mostly came from SL admins was that "we are not police", still got a problem with that since it goes into the hart where the system was made for. Therefore I still want a solution, and people that want to purposely whore can elsewhere. Something I was suggesting: proof with xfire vid/demo + link to the session on TB (needs to be given within 3 days of happening else it's "OLD") and we will reset the rate of that player. (Disabling wouldn't make more sense about this anyway), with the advantage that you can re-use later on.

Twister started the topic as ex-whore and therefore he should get some respect too, it is the symbol of the goal we should want with this.
A player that turns from whoring only to someone that fights for it too not-happen.

[N3kr0n]

I have a few ideas. First of all, like said before, very many players are "whoring" without even knowing about TB. But they are not even near the top, so nothing should be done about them.

This is why I think there should be some kind of a "magic number", starting from where we could say that people are whoring for rating. Maybe Top 50? First page of TB toplist. Or even Top 30?

Now the question "when is it actually whoring?" This has to be stated very clearly, because it's going to be the main argument for complaints. "Yeah I threw ammo at spawn, but I killed too... I got 40 kills, so I deserve my ppm" etc etc.

I think it's impossible to get a fair system by looking at kills or medpack amount. This is why I propose looking at exp points. It's the easiest to follow and count and doesn't even need a video, just 2 screenshots.

So, my idea: look at a players xp before and after a map (take SS, if needed). Look at total xp gained during that round and medic/fops/covert xp gained. If a player gets for example 1000 xp in 30 mins and 800 of that is med/fops/cov, they're whoring. Even 300/1000 is probably whoring. That's why a set percentage is needed.

I propose: If during a map (over 10 minutes), 40% or more xp of a player in the Top 30 comes from medic/fops/covert, that player is whoring and that player's rating is reset to 20.00. Screenshots of xp before and after map are necessary.

I propose over 10 minutes, because sometimes the map ends so soon that you're "accidentally" whoring. I also propose resetting to 20.00, because going to 0.00 would cause WAY too much whining and complaining and Top 30 will probably always be over 20 rating. And Top 30, because we really don't care about someone who whores himself all the way up to no. 721 on TB.

I see some complaints incoming from the very few people who can actually get to Top 30 using fops/covert in an honest way, without spamming ammo packs or hogging uniforms. IF there are any people like that, you're probably very rare and maybe admins could make an exception for you after speccing and seeing you're really that good with field/covert ops. But I hope this kind of a problem does not arise.

Also, if we're only talking about disabling the very Top, there will always be players who "happen" to spec their competition once in a while and will gladly spend time to get someone ahead of them disabled and 1 more rank for them. So that wouldn't be a problem. I don't think any whorers would stay in Top 30 for long and admins don't have to do practically anything - just look at some screenshots that other "real" players in the top send and click "reset". And Top 30 wouldn't be very time-consuming, maybe 1-2 new whores a day.

[eaGle]

I like your ideas Nekron.

@Jackson

if someone here doesnt understand a shit, its you. We all know that this rating system is made for fraggers who want to get nice ranks, its just a fact that u cant rate with teamplaying, expect by throwing the med/ammo packs or stealing uniforms <-- But then people judges as xpwhorer and its kind a hard to explain that "it was just teamplaying".

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But these which do their rate by fragging, usually dont care about team (like heal or giving ammo), its just what i cant stand. I know that mod for teamplaying is ETpro, but still it would more better if all could just do these teamplaying things more usually, than just playing by own and care a shit about rest.

But im glad about that most of the fraggers also help team, but there is also these guys who just run across you, but u cant do nothing for it, just have to live with it.

And usually these "pro's" just join team where is better players, and then when people are saying "even teams?", these guys cant just join losing team. ---> just because they want better rate! They should give also rating change for others.

I have nothing against fraggers, most of them are good guys.

But whorers... they just ruin fraggers rate by just throwing ammo packs. Something must be done to stop whoring, thats why i must say that Nekron's ideas are best at this topic atm.

//eaGle

[VS|wArRi0r]

So if i understand you guys.. If i see a player low HP and I'm medic... I should not give him med packs because then i am whoring? xP

[N3kr0n]

No, VS|wArRi0r, this action by itself is certainly not considered whoring, but good team play. However, if it's done by a top rating player and medic xp makes up a very large part of his PPM, then it's called whoring. The point is that it's impossible to get 500+ medic xp per round by just being a team player and healing those who need help. To get that much xp, special "whoring" techniques are needed. That's whoring.

And thanks Jackson and eaGle. Right now, I don't see any big flaws with my method. But maybe .nm has a better idea.